Solo recording while doing one’s own engineering…..

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  • #3057

    Matt Hayden
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    …is awful.

    hate context shifting between playing and engineering.  Neither the aesthetic or technical results are good.

    How do those of you who do both manage it?

    /mh

  • #3058

    deziner2
    Participant

    I recall telling Alex Austin, a mentor of mine and a very talented musician, that process of recording music was like going down a rabbit hole for me.  My musical goal is simple. Compose a tune and record it. Despite my best efforts  when I attempted to record my tunes they sounded horrible.  To make matters worse I wasn’t very interested in in dealing with the complexity of recording.

    Alex was a pretty intelligent guy and a good musician . Alex could not only create good music but produce it as well. Just before he passed away Alex produced and arranged a simple tune I composed and I was blown away by his effort.  I most certainly could have not done what Alex did.

    Conversely Alex told me that he was not a composer and that the tune I had composed for him brought tears to his eyes. I never expected that sort of response from Alex. For me it was just another tune that I had composed.

    We all have strengths and weaknesses. There very few Buddy Guys or Elton Johns in the world but even those guy’s are  bounded by creative limits.

    My advice is to pursue what interests you and if producing and engineering is not your cup of tea pass it off to someone else who is fascinated by it.

    Personally I use Ableton Lite when I record. I  hardly scratch the surface on it’s potential. Like I said my goal is simple.

     

  • #3059

    indexless
    Keymaster

    Matt, imagine trying to run three cameras at the same time…..my advise, get big memory cards and make the set up as easy as possible, then let ‘er rip tatterchip

  • #3060

    Acoustic Soul
    Participant

    Minimize everything as much as possible, keep it simple while you get a track down and then you can always retake or add complexity later.  It took me years to be able to do both at the same time and I’m still not great at it.  It’s just more fun to be one or the other.

    In the age we live in, everyone is so isolated.  Music happens when you come together with other people and I feel largely my generation is robbed of that by our own hand or otherwise.  No doubt things go better when you have some good teamwork, but sometimes you can really nail it yourself too.

    I think mostly just failing a lot and learning from those failures and enjoying the successes.  Something I struggle with as well, but going to school for music production helped.  Doing anything plugged direct in rather than mic’d up perfectly is easier.  I also agree, I don’t have much interest in recording.  I love to write and produce as well as mix and master, but just not the recording part.  I’d rather perform it

  • #3065

    zorro
    Participant

    I kept begging Alex….Mate , just set it up so I can push one F**^ing button and play !!

    He said , Hank an artist has to use all of the Pallet……and HE was an Artist.

    Remember he was an intelligence analyst for the Navy…he looked at all the angles.

    He learned 8 bars of music on the pedal steel guitar just to record one song with Dee because he said “it’s gotta be in the song”.


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  • #3068

    Matt Hayden
    Participant

    I’m kinda thinking that the right answer is what Richard said: just set it up in AIR mode and play, and deal with the output later.    It’s easier to play when you’re not thinking about managing the buttons, and since it’s all acoustic anyhow – e.g., all mics – it’s probably the simplest method.

     

  • #3079

    tadol
    Participant

    I’ve tried to record myself, bought a bunch of toys to see what I could do, but its never been something I could handle. Someday, it would be fun to try getting into a studio and letting someone who knows what they’re doing run the show and get a better sense of how I sound –

    What has kinda worked for me is a simple usb mic ( an Apogee MiC) plugged into my iphone, then use music memos to record my guitar and voice all in one.  Music memos can add drums and bass at the push of a button. Sounds OK – and the files can be put in Garage Band if I want to play with it more. But I don’t –

  • #3082

    Daniel
    Participant

    It is awful.  I got an engineer to do it for me.  Now he’s definitely a co-producer and pretty much my studio band.

    If I were to start over and do a CD all by myself, I would do the following.

    1) Set up the studio for one touch and/or remote operation.

    2) Plan the song carefully.  Know what you want on it and set up the software for each track ahead of time.

    3) When you’re ready to start putting music in the machine, get someone else to push the buttons (record, rewind, playback, etc.)

    The idea is to set things up so you can change your ‘hats’ instead of trying to wear two at a time.  But knowing you, Matt, you’ve already thought of this.

    😉

    Daniel


  • #3083

    Daniel
    Participant

    Just had another thought…

    Matt, do you remember Fran Guidry?  I think he’s still in Pleasant Hill.  He’s got a little home studio and would be a good guy to talk to about this stuff.

    D


  • #3084

    zorro
    Participant

    We have recorded 3 CDs…..Studio time in a class A studio with a master engineer is $ 30 P/Hr.

    It is the mastering of the recording that take lots of time and $$$$.

    The recording I made for our forum cost me $45…..what I sent to this forum was raw…no editing no mastering.

    The studio put it on Soundcloud for me and I then sent it here


    1993 Martin Custom HD-28 IR/Sitka
    2001 SCGC Custom F Cutaway Maple/German
    2008 SCGC Custom OT Madi/Italian
    2015 SCGC Custom OM “The Tree” Hog/ European
    2016 SCGC Custom 1934 D45 Braz/ Adi

    The Bay, The Gulf Stream, The Open Ocean are particular about who they share their Secrets with.

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