Custom 50th FTC

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    • #998
      zorro
      Participant

      All right Now…listen up.
      On the last day of Jan. 2019 I will be 72…This from somebody whose generation said “never trust any one over 30”.
      I do not know what the future may bring…but I do know that my favorite saying is “Don’t Ever Give Up”.So I have a proposal.

      I will put a deposit down and fully fund a 50th anniversary SCGC  Custom FTC. It is up to the members of this forum to spec. it out.

      We have one year from today to do so.

      if the Gatekeeper will set up a separate page for this project that might be easier than keeping the thread here…or not…

      I would like “US”to choose the woods while Otis B. Rodeo is the “Head Wrangler” of the “Ramuda” and he can select the best of  his Reserve.

      Once the woods are selected I will put down the deposit and we will have lots of time to discuss the other components.

      Let me be clear..this is to be a very special project…however, The final decisions will be Richards and the Crew of SCGC.

      I will be the  owner of this guitar but I think it should “Travel” continuosly among the players of SCGC guitars…both pros and just plain pickers.

      I am open to any and ALL input from the members (current, past and future) of this forum.

      Should I sail “Over the Horizon” before the completion of the build (But after funding) then the surviving players of  the ‘In The Park Players ” shall be in charge.

      Who wishes to be shipmates on the Voyage ?

       

       

       


      1993 Martin Custom HD-28 IR/Sitka
      2001 SCGC Custom F Cutaway Maple/German
      2008 SCGC Custom OT Madi/Italian
      2015 SCGC Custom OM “The Tree” Hog/ European
      2016 SCGC Custom 1934 D45 Braz/ Adi

      The Bay, The Gulf Stream, The Open Ocean are particular about who they share their Secrets with.

      • This topic was modified 1 year, 7 months ago by zorro.
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    • #1000
      Chris aka digdog
      Participant

      WELL GEE GOLLY WHIZ. AND A WHOLE LOTTA  HOLY GUACAMOLE ZORRO!

      tHIS SHOULD BE A VERY EXCITING VENTURE GAS AHOLIZM.

      Seeings how you have a procured an amazing Brazilian 45 type D build    Let me be the first to suggest Highly figuredKOA.       OK   Keep the ball rolling you all

       

    • #1001
      zorro
      Participant

      Chris thanks for your thoughts. Done in your inimitable style.
      What top woods?
      Also.. as I hope this guitar will be our version of A “Traveling Wilbury ” what guitar case should we consider ?
      I’m serious about having this guitar played by as many SCGC Fans as possible.


      1993 Martin Custom HD-28 IR/Sitka
      2001 SCGC Custom F Cutaway Maple/German
      2008 SCGC Custom OT Madi/Italian
      2015 SCGC Custom OM “The Tree” Hog/ European
      2016 SCGC Custom 1934 D45 Braz/ Adi

      The Bay, The Gulf Stream, The Open Ocean are particular about who they share their Secrets with.

    • #1002
      indexless
      Keymaster

      I think we will keep this on this forum for now. I’ll look at it’s own page. There are several examples of shared objects on forums, like a pic sampler and such, being responsible for a guitar is a little different…great idea, dream and design on

    • #1003
      Chris aka digdog
      Participant

      I think my choice would be Port Orford Cedar.  A very vanilla to cream colored cedar that has been characterized as possessing a more rigid and possibly less likely to be as sensitive to tactile abrasions as well as having that dynamic response of the more typical red cedar..

    • #1004
      Matt Hayden
      Participant

      Permission to board, Cap’n?

      Since the FTC is (to my mind) all about the warmth of a flattop and the clarity and cut-through-the-mix of an archtop, I’d go with spruce – probably sitka – for the top, and some really beautiful maple for the back and sides.

      Deco inlays on an ebony board on a multi-piece maple neck (for structural stability) with some kind of light-colored binding and a clear finish would round it out. Not sure about purling and binding, but a 5- or 7-way multiply of ebony and figured maple would work.

      Also, probably, a couple of tiny plates on either side of the inside of the soundhole (prob maple) to provide extra support for a magnetic pickup (I like the sound of Sunrise pickups in those instruments, but they’re kind of heavy).

      That would be (IMHO) the perfect combination of aesthetics and function.

       

       

       

    • #1005
      Chris aka digdog
      Participant

      That sounds nice Matt.  Sitka and Maple has very strong appeal!!  Maybe some H13 type s29 purfling with just the lightest amount of a caramelized edge burst to set it all off?

    • #1007
      zorro
      Participant

      I know that some ‘Highly Figured” Flame Maple has always looked great on the FTC.
      I do think that KOA holds a lot of appeal if the “Right” set.
      While I have never played a Cedar top guitar I have been led to believe that Cedar Sounds has good as it is going to be when new and does not “Open ” like Spruce overtime.
      I like Matts descriptions of the Maple/Spruce Combo
      Thought on Rosewoods?? NOT BRAZ….outside the budget and not able to travel across borders.
      Should our project Bindings and inlays be simple or a bit on the wild side…. Palo, Paule ?
      This will be an interesting build…..REMEMBER, We want this guitar to be a Primo example of the SCGC 50 years of craft.


      1993 Martin Custom HD-28 IR/Sitka
      2001 SCGC Custom F Cutaway Maple/German
      2008 SCGC Custom OT Madi/Italian
      2015 SCGC Custom OM “The Tree” Hog/ European
      2016 SCGC Custom 1934 D45 Braz/ Adi

      The Bay, The Gulf Stream, The Open Ocean are particular about who they share their Secrets with.

    • #1019
      zorro
      Participant

      All right .Close your eyes. What about?
      Dark Flamed Maple B/S
      Sunburst Sitka top
      All inlays, Purfling, from Paua.
      binding of 5-7 mutiply of ebony, figured Maple and Paua.
      TOOO Dramatic??


      1993 Martin Custom HD-28 IR/Sitka
      2001 SCGC Custom F Cutaway Maple/German
      2008 SCGC Custom OT Madi/Italian
      2015 SCGC Custom OM “The Tree” Hog/ European
      2016 SCGC Custom 1934 D45 Braz/ Adi

      The Bay, The Gulf Stream, The Open Ocean are particular about who they share their Secrets with.

    • #1031
      Matt Hayden
      Participant

      I think that’d be lovely – although using the paua everywhere might be too much of a good thing.  I wonder whether SCGC could do the deco inlays in a combination of paua and white MOP?  That’d be colorful and eye-catching.

      Zorro, because of the CITES ban, it’s dangerous to carry *any* rosewood instrument across transnational borders.  Since most customs inspectors really don’t have the training to tell braz from indian from coco from madrose, inappropriate seizures happen more than they should.  I have an instrument I would like to deliver to its *real* owner but I’m afraid to get it there bc it has a braz head plate.

      Though in terms of braz carved instruments, though, Kim Walker did one – it’s apparently quite an instrument:
      https://www.fretboardjournal.com/features/archtop-aesthetics-birth-kim-walker-solo-novo-guitar/

    • #1099
      zorro
      Participant

      Come on Y’all…. Ideas…suggestions are needed…..this is going to be “Our” guitar.


      1993 Martin Custom HD-28 IR/Sitka
      2001 SCGC Custom F Cutaway Maple/German
      2008 SCGC Custom OT Madi/Italian
      2015 SCGC Custom OM “The Tree” Hog/ European
      2016 SCGC Custom 1934 D45 Braz/ Adi

      The Bay, The Gulf Stream, The Open Ocean are particular about who they share their Secrets with.

    • #1105
      tadol
      Participant

      Well, I wish everyone were a lot closer – I’d be very happy to let people try out my maple FTCs, one in sitka, and one in cedar. Both old ones, although I don’t think theres much changed with the new ones. I will say that the cut or “edge” one gets with a maple guitar can get a bit excessive with a cedar top – Extremely responsive to fingerstyle, but almost a distorted overdrive with a pick and some strumming. A flavor that would not appeal to many as an “only” guitar, but a very interesting voice if one can justify having a few guitars – no problems with that here – and I need to point out that SCGC had not had a lot of experience with cedar when they built this one. So at this point, they have much more experience with it, and could probably thickness and brace it to allow more of an aggressive strumming style. But I still wouldn’t recommend it.

      The sitka top is a very nice combo – its got more balance, but still with the unique edge and voice of the FTC, and still very much a maple guitar. I very briefly tried a mahogany FTC, and I wish I could say I really remember it well, but it was very different from the maple, yet still had the presence of the FTC. I would be concerned with koa on a carved shape like that – at least highly figured koa – I just don’t know how it would be structurally, but I’m sure Richard has the expertise to do it if desired.

      For myself, I am hoping for one in rosewood, with probably a Euro top – and I can only guess what it might be like. Hopes are high, but I just don’t know what its going to gain (or lose?) with rosewood instead of maple –

      • #3152
        Matt Hayden
        Participant

        Of the spruce and cedar ones you’ve got, I prefer the spruce (and would be in the market for it if you ever let it go), but have to acknowledge that the cedar has a lot of cut and power – it works really well for Django-style jazz and pick-based comping.  The spruce is a little rounder and mellower and maybe a tad quieter, but the range of timbres is wider (IMHO, YMMV, ADA).

         

    • #1107
      indexless
      Keymaster

      Stand back cowboy…..here’s what I want…sorry it will be a total custom ftc for sure

      Moon Spruce top, the blue stuff

      100 year old mahogany from a table top found along the 1 freeway in Santa Cruz

      tortoise binding

      Pyramid bridge 1 3/4 neck 2 5/16’s bridge spacing

      paddle head   no pick guard   snakehead waverly tuners

      00 Skye body size   12 fret   24.9 scale   ebony board  and bridge

      hide glue, advanced x braced, moon spruce braces

      SCGC inlay at the 12   side dot markers   ebony fingerboard

      • This reply was modified 1 year, 6 months ago by indexless.
      • This reply was modified 1 year, 6 months ago by indexless.
    • #1108
      Frozen Rat
      Participant

      I will humbly suggest my favorite wishful combination (as if it were for me personally). I’d like the back and sides to be the 100-year-old mahogany and the top to be aged Adirondack. The fretboard would be Brazilian and the neck would be mahogany as well. Why? Because I think that combination would sound otherworldly.


      Santa Cruz 00 — Goodall 000 — Martin 00-28

    • #1110
      tadol
      Participant

      And you wouldn’t be wrong –

    • #1124
      zorro
      Participant

      Anyone have pix of Moon Spruce ‘The Blue Stuff” ?


      1993 Martin Custom HD-28 IR/Sitka
      2001 SCGC Custom F Cutaway Maple/German
      2008 SCGC Custom OT Madi/Italian
      2015 SCGC Custom OM “The Tree” Hog/ European
      2016 SCGC Custom 1934 D45 Braz/ Adi

      The Bay, The Gulf Stream, The Open Ocean are particular about who they share their Secrets with.

    • #1127
      Matt Hayden
      Participant

      Having played several spruce/maple/ebony fittings, that combo is pretty magical despite its simple wood choices.  It crosses the clarity and punch of an archtop with the warmth of the flattop.   Tadol’s spruce FTC is a case in point – it’s got enormous power but also a huge dynamic range and great sensitivity to where along the string length it’s played.

      …someday.  😉

    • #1286
      moo cow
      Participant

      Being new to the forum I don’t feel I have a voice here, but this has to be one of the coolest things I’ve ever seen on a guitar forum.  I’m following with great interest!

    • #1288
      zorro
      Participant

      MC,
      Please submit your thoughts. This is a voyage that ALL lovers and players of SCGC can join.
      looking forward to your input.
      Tell other SC owners about the project and ask them to submit ideas to the SCGC Players Forum and this thread.
      Fair Winds,
      Zorro


      1993 Martin Custom HD-28 IR/Sitka
      2001 SCGC Custom F Cutaway Maple/German
      2008 SCGC Custom OT Madi/Italian
      2015 SCGC Custom OM “The Tree” Hog/ European
      2016 SCGC Custom 1934 D45 Braz/ Adi

      The Bay, The Gulf Stream, The Open Ocean are particular about who they share their Secrets with.

    • #1353
      Old 97
      Participant

      Bear Claw German Spruce

      Flamed Mahogany

      cup holder

    • #1407
      zorro
      Participant

      After reflecting on the project that I have proposed, I have come to “The
      Slap In The Face” reality that on the 50th birthday of SCGC that I will be Damn near 80 when this idea will come to fruition….80 !!!
      So…I am changing the program to commission the build to be a 45th anniversary custom FTC.
      I still would like to have the Members of our Forum continue to submit thoughts and Ideas as to what the details of the guitar might be….But I’m going to talk with “The Maestro” soon to get his thoughts on this guitar and see what “personal Stash” of wood he might have now or is thinking about having in the near future.
      As it is going to be an FTC I am leaning toward Flamed Maple as it is the “Traditional” wood for archtop guitars but I have to admit that Koa has some strong eye candy appeal. Would you Koa lovers please comment on the Sonic/Voice difference between the two woods.
      Fair Winds,
      Hank


      1993 Martin Custom HD-28 IR/Sitka
      2001 SCGC Custom F Cutaway Maple/German
      2008 SCGC Custom OT Madi/Italian
      2015 SCGC Custom OM “The Tree” Hog/ European
      2016 SCGC Custom 1934 D45 Braz/ Adi

      The Bay, The Gulf Stream, The Open Ocean are particular about who they share their Secrets with.

      • #3153
        Matt Hayden
        Participant

        Somehow I thought you were in your high sixties.  I had no idea….

        Anyhow, if you decide to do this, I’ll be keenly watching.

    • #1408
      Chris aka digdog
      Participant

      Of the 3 Koa guitars I’ve had built ,by our dear Maestro n Crew. SCGC,  all have been stunning!   My favorite was an all Koa  000.   Next was the OM  Spruce n  Koa.  Finally the 00 Spruce n Koa.   They all had the Magical open vintage tone that Santa Cruz is noted for.      I am a fickled   GAS CRAZED   acoustic guitar guitar  CRUSADER in chase of the will I ever find the GRAIL..       Koa is a great sounding ,looking tone wood and SCGC with out doubt knows how to bring it to life.           Warm even balance with most notably  a Mid frequency  bias.   I hope to someday in the near future to have Richard and crew build me an OM grand with Port Oxford Cedar and my personal stash of very old growth Koa.

      For an FTC me thinks the Maple is the way to go.  Have them do a reddish/golden Koa tint W@@W!

       

    • #1442
      bert
      Participant

      Dana Bourgeois has been known to build with pao rosewood, which he calls a lighter shade of braz rosewood. The top of my 2013 00 is redwood. Don’t know if SCGC has ever built with these woods but… beautiful tone and balance works as a good description:

      2013 Bourgeois 00


      SCGC VJ, Collings CJ mhA, 89′ Martin OM, Eastman E20OM-TC, AC630 jumbo & El Rey4 archtop, bottleneck reso.

    • #1443
      Chris aka digdog
      Participant

      Bert check out the Tunnel 13 Guitar by SCGC. ,maybe its still at Sylvan Music Santa Cruz.  A great history provenance about the redwood used for that guitar .Give Richard a shout.  It is one of the best sounding SCGC i’VE PLAYED.

    • #1456
      zorro
      Participant

      UPDATE…Spoke with Carolyn and I am Zorroing in on Maple B/S for the 45th build. She is setting up a time for me to speak with Mr. Hoover about his stash of Maple….. Nothing else decided yet.
      I just have a “Gut” feeling that Maple is the right wood for an FTC.
      Some of Y’All have been so very kind to offer your own caches of South American Braz and Old Hog for the build… Thank You. But somehow Maple seems to speak to me.


      1993 Martin Custom HD-28 IR/Sitka
      2001 SCGC Custom F Cutaway Maple/German
      2008 SCGC Custom OT Madi/Italian
      2015 SCGC Custom OM “The Tree” Hog/ European
      2016 SCGC Custom 1934 D45 Braz/ Adi

      The Bay, The Gulf Stream, The Open Ocean are particular about who they share their Secrets with.

    • #1461
      indexless
      Keymaster

      What’s the top?

      • #1462
        zorro
        Participant

        Haven’t decided yet….will wait and see what R. H. suggests.
        I have asked Carolyn to Keep a Visual theme of Ocean/Island/ Sailing as far as cosmetics and inlay material to be used.


        1993 Martin Custom HD-28 IR/Sitka
        2001 SCGC Custom F Cutaway Maple/German
        2008 SCGC Custom OT Madi/Italian
        2015 SCGC Custom OM “The Tree” Hog/ European
        2016 SCGC Custom 1934 D45 Braz/ Adi

        The Bay, The Gulf Stream, The Open Ocean are particular about who they share their Secrets with.

    • #2315
      Acoustic Soul
      Participant

      Hey, sorry I’ve been inactive since the forum came back online.  I actually just turned 30 in December and had my first child.  I also got married last July!

      First, Zorro that’s super cool and gracious of you to do such a thing!  How fun!!

      I applaud your choice of the FTC in many ways – which I’ll just gloss over.

       

      In my mind the top could be some old growth adirondack… but Richard will probably have special woods he is saving for such a scenario as this.  Have you heard the Tunnel 13 redwood?  That blew my mind, I’m looking to have that done on my second santa cruz.  I think sitka is nice but it never pleases me in any guitar I’ve played it, just lacking always compared to Italian or Adirondack to my ears.  I think Italian would be too ‘singing’ or shimmery/bright for the FTC since it already has that voice.  That’s why I’d have to say old growth adirondack if not Tunnel 13 or some very unusual thing that Richard comes up with.

      I know maple is the most traditional choice for that guitar, but I think on the FTC it may pigeonhole it a bit in character.  If going with maple, maybe a type of maple that is woodier and more pliable in the mids.  I would seek to see mahogany on it as I think it would have a really cool punch overall with that body.  If you’re wanting something more sparkly then you could get the Tree set on it.  I also think Koa might be a very good option since you guys are talking about that since it’s similar to Mahogany.

      I also agree that something West coast sourced would be cool… the way they found Tunnel 13.  Hawaii isn’t too far away and since SC is all into the western swing thing a lot it’s culturally not too separate either.  Didn’t a lot of slack key and slide stuff marinade in from the 40s and 50s into that kind of scene in the western US?

      Definitely hide glue and adirondack bracing, I also agree that would be a really cool guitar to have a pickup in whoever said that thumbs up.

      As far as the aesthetic I think a very sun glow goldish hue and pearl blocks all the way up and down fretboard would be cool… like a visit to a retrofuturism museum and the art deco period glorified in a warm amber hue.  Would probably be really classy and look like the sun reflecting off the pearly gates haha.

      Flamed neck

      Maple binding

      Abalone purfling and inlay all around

      Some type of honeyed antique light amber tint top

      Pearloid bridge pins with white wood

      pearl blocks all the way up and down fretboard like the cowgirl one they did a few years back Clementine

      Gold tuners with pearl buttons

      White maple headstock overlay and Santa Cruz logo done in gold abalone or something purty… standard tuners look sweet though

      Mildly yellowed bone nut and saddle

      Matching rosette to inlay and purfle

      Voiced to not just be delicate, but handle strumming, heavier picks, and being pushed

       

       

      What do you guys think?  Critique my dream 😀

       

      • #3154
        Matt Hayden
        Participant

        Adirondack is nice stuff but really, I’d choose the top depending on how it’ll be played. If you’ll be playing hard with a pick, use ad.  I like plain old sitka for fingerpicking.

    • #2318
      Acoustic Soul
      Participant

      Edit: **Don’t see any way to edit, so in my post when I say abalone I don’t mean the green and blue but the golden yellow one**

    • #2319
      zorro
      Participant

      Acoustic soul,
      Wow, lot’s of life changes for you…Congrats and Fair Winds for the future.
      Thanks for your input on the FTC.
      I’ve had some preliminary discussions with Artisan Guitars and Carolyn regarding this.
      I am leaning toward a Carribean/Blue Hole theme….maybe Maple maybe figured Koa.
      The finish , I think will be a blue…..Which shade We have not decided….maybe a combo of shades, like the Carribean itself.
      When I get ability to post pix back I’ll post a picture of a Blue Hole I dove in the Bahamas that would set the overall look.
      The bling will be Paua and Coral and Pearl.
      Still a few years away from building but I hope all will find interesting and wonderful sounding.


      1993 Martin Custom HD-28 IR/Sitka
      2001 SCGC Custom F Cutaway Maple/German
      2008 SCGC Custom OT Madi/Italian
      2015 SCGC Custom OM “The Tree” Hog/ European
      2016 SCGC Custom 1934 D45 Braz/ Adi

      The Bay, The Gulf Stream, The Open Ocean are particular about who they share their Secrets with.

      • This reply was modified 9 months ago by zorro.
      • This reply was modified 9 months ago by zorro.
    • #2322
      zorro
      Participant


      1993 Martin Custom HD-28 IR/Sitka
      2001 SCGC Custom F Cutaway Maple/German
      2008 SCGC Custom OT Madi/Italian
      2015 SCGC Custom OM “The Tree” Hog/ European
      2016 SCGC Custom 1934 D45 Braz/ Adi

      The Bay, The Gulf Stream, The Open Ocean are particular about who they share their Secrets with.

    • #2323
      zorro
      Participant

      Sound Hole Of The Bahamas


      1993 Martin Custom HD-28 IR/Sitka
      2001 SCGC Custom F Cutaway Maple/German
      2008 SCGC Custom OT Madi/Italian
      2015 SCGC Custom OM “The Tree” Hog/ European
      2016 SCGC Custom 1934 D45 Braz/ Adi

      The Bay, The Gulf Stream, The Open Ocean are particular about who they share their Secrets with.

    • #2326
      Acoustic Soul
      Participant

      That’s a really cool idea too!  Maybe you could do an entire theme like a caribbean treasure from an old shipwreck 🙂

      And thank you for the well wishes, I married the most incredible woman I met in my life and luckily she loves music and wants me to have all the guitars 😀 😀 😀 it doesn’t get any better!

    • #2327
      Acoustic Soul
      Participant

      I’m sure the sound hole of the bahamas would look excellent either on white sandy shores maple or hawaiian honey koa!

    • #2328
      Acoustic Soul
      Participant

      On the subject of the top wood, what did they say?

    • #2787
      Acoustic Soul
      Participant

      Any updates Zorro?

      • #3155
        zorro
        Participant

        A $17,000 replacement A/C system has slowed down the ‘Blue Hole”…….If I want to keep being married to the most wonderful lady in the world, I have to provide A/C in Southwest Florida in May, June, July .August .Sep and b part of Nov..

        I can take the heat ALL year around….but women “Of a certain age “cannot.


        1993 Martin Custom HD-28 IR/Sitka
        2001 SCGC Custom F Cutaway Maple/German
        2008 SCGC Custom OT Madi/Italian
        2015 SCGC Custom OM “The Tree” Hog/ European
        2016 SCGC Custom 1934 D45 Braz/ Adi

        The Bay, The Gulf Stream, The Open Ocean are particular about who they share their Secrets with.

    • #3156
      Acoustic Soul
      Participant

      Woooooah!  Yikes.

      Am I the only one who thinks of things in units of how many guitars I could buy with it?

      Got to take care of the women!

      Thanks for the update, I always like hearing about it

    • #3157
      Acoustic Soul
      Participant

      I’m getting emails that people are commenting on this, reading them in the email, but they’re not showing up here

    • #3160
      Matt Hayden
      Participant

      Umm, yeah, you need to take care of Dee; she’s pretty wonderful.

      Just think – your guitars will live in air-conditioned comfort, too!

      /mh

    • #3172
      Old 97
      Participant

      I paid 18k in California for my A/C.

       

    • #3173
      zorro
      Participant

      Hurricane Season is from June 1st to Nov. 15th….The humidity is why we have A/C.

      It has never been 100 degrees here but the humidity can reach 90 % almost every afternoon during those months.

      I tell Dee that I am buying a new A/C for her comfort……but it is REALLY for the Ramuda !!!


      1993 Martin Custom HD-28 IR/Sitka
      2001 SCGC Custom F Cutaway Maple/German
      2008 SCGC Custom OT Madi/Italian
      2015 SCGC Custom OM “The Tree” Hog/ European
      2016 SCGC Custom 1934 D45 Braz/ Adi

      The Bay, The Gulf Stream, The Open Ocean are particular about who they share their Secrets with.

    • #3177
      tadol
      Participant

      Continuous 90% humidity!  Yikes!

    • #3300
      tadol
      Participant

      Just a small teaser – wish I could take better photos – Ftc headstock

      Ftc redwood top

      Ftc back

       

    • #3301
      indexless
      Keymaster

      I have stood in the presence of this beast, it is a true work of visual and sonic art…..look out world

    • #3305
      zorro
      Participant

      Damn you Tadol….Damn You…LOL


      1993 Martin Custom HD-28 IR/Sitka
      2001 SCGC Custom F Cutaway Maple/German
      2008 SCGC Custom OT Madi/Italian
      2015 SCGC Custom OM “The Tree” Hog/ European
      2016 SCGC Custom 1934 D45 Braz/ Adi

      The Bay, The Gulf Stream, The Open Ocean are particular about who they share their Secrets with.

    • #3306
      haasome
      Participant

      Whoa, now that’s impressive!


      – Paul –

    • #3308
      Acoustic Soul
      Participant

      Wow, that cutaway hand cup…. What kind of back wood is that?

    • #3309
      tadol
      Participant

      Its granadillo – I had a large plank (very large!) that I had gotten about 40 years ago, and it was at least 80 years old then. I was saving it to do something incredibly special with – and realized that Mr Hoover was going to be able to achieve far more with it than I ever could,  I asked him to consider making FTCs with it – I always thought that a little mor of the richer, more overtones, sound that seems to come from rosewood, as opposed to maple, might give an FTC a very interesting sound.  Richard chose redwood for the top, and I chose a little bling in the headstock and neck, otherwise we kept it all pretty simple.  Its been a non-priority for some time, well over a year actually, so I wasn’t really pushing anyone for it, but I got the call that it would be ready for pickup at the Xmas party.

      Its pretty wild – very dry and forceful, a little mid-rangey, but still extremely new – my very first brand new Santa Cruz – and I’m just planning on playing it a fair bit more, getting it a bit more broken in and opened up, before I try to describe it. Although, at this point, it looks to me like the most beautiful guitar I’ve ever seen –

    • #3310
      Acoustic Soul
      Participant

      Is that the same as Ziricote?

      That’s awesome you have that old of wood!

      Cedar and rosewood is my favorite combination on the firefly, you sacrifice volume but you get everything else like a classical guitar…. and it even strums just as well as finger.   Really the thing I notice with the cedar is you play lighter but with more dynamics… so I echo the ideal home and recording thing with it.

       

      Mmmmmmmmm, dry forceful and mid-range are GOOD THINGS for Santa Cruz.  In my opinion after getting to know them for ten years… You never have to ask for overtones, but if you want woody you do have to ask them to tone down the overtones. Dry and woody would be bad if you were talking about a gibson because it means it’s dead, but with Santa Cruz it means it’s got soul!  And according to my handle you know I like guitars with Soul!  😀

      I’m sure you know, but Santa Cruz guitars new can be brutally cold.  I usually play mine hard for a year and use a ToneRite.  It seems to take 2-3 months to wake them up, 2-3 more months for a decent break-in , and the rest of the year for them to become noticeably themselves.  After 3-4 years I usually hit another looseness that I would consider being fully broken in.  Past that we’re just talking about aging.

      I’d really like to hear that guitar when it’s done…. dang , but I live in Texas

    • #3311
      Chrisakadigdog
      Participant

      Very nice Tad!!  Congratulations on your new baby Guitar.  Is it the Tunnel 13 redwood?

    • #3312
      Daniel
      Participant

      Wow.

      Cool.

      Wow.

      Sorry.  Where was I?

      Wow, cool.

      🙂

      D


    • #3314
      bert
      Participant

      tad, that is outstanding.. a guitar to behold. I have never played a granadillo guitar (once knew a dog who chased armadillos). From what I understand of the wood, the redwood top should make a great combo. My pao rosewood/redwood 00 has a sweet tone like no other, makes the world go round.

      Great imagination in design of that guitar. bert


      SCGC VJ, Collings CJ mhA, 89′ Martin OM, Eastman E20OM-TC, AC630 jumbo & El Rey4 archtop, bottleneck reso.

    • #3316
      zorro
      Participant

      Tad,

      That really is beautiful….Please let us hear a recording ASAP…….

      I know how pleased you must be 😉😁😉


      1993 Martin Custom HD-28 IR/Sitka
      2001 SCGC Custom F Cutaway Maple/German
      2008 SCGC Custom OT Madi/Italian
      2015 SCGC Custom OM “The Tree” Hog/ European
      2016 SCGC Custom 1934 D45 Braz/ Adi

      The Bay, The Gulf Stream, The Open Ocean are particular about who they share their Secrets with.

    • #3323
      tadol
      Participant

      I’d love to do a recording, and I’ll try to get something together over the holidays.  I may have to get someone who can really play to do this thing justice –

      I’m realizing, to a new degree, what kind of relationship one makes with a Santa Cruz guitar, or really, any well-made hand-built guitar. Even if you buy a new one when you’re 20, and you play the snot out of it for 50-y0 years, it will be going on to someone else, probably still in its prime.  This is my first, truly “new” Santa Cruz guitar. I have some older ones, some almost 35 years old, and they are wonderful, mature voices. I may not play each alot, but I take care of them, and know that they’ll be capable of creating wonderful music long after I am gone. And it makes me realize how great it is when someone doesn’t have the patience to get to know a great instrument, selling cheaply to pursue something the internet says is the next great thing –

      So, this is new – completely. Just off the set-up bench, still on its first set of strings, lacquer is probably still curing. How well can I judge this? I can compare myself at best to an inexperienced vintner trying to judge a wine you know  can’t be at its best for a little while – how long?    hmmmm  –

      It has so many really great qualities, but the tone, and the balance, have changed a pretty fair bit in just a few days – and I don’t think its done. It’s opening up – getting fuller, richer, just . . . Better. I feel like it’s gonna take some weeks – maybe months – before I will really start to know what its gonna be like most of its life.  It’s pretty weird knowing I have something that will be at its best the longest, when I’m not around anymore to enjoy it.  But while it brings me joy for the next decade, or two – I can’t hope for anything more –

      I will try to get something up shortly, but I don’t think it’ll be really accurate – we’ll see –

       

      In the meantime – Hank, I know you, if anyone, knows the joy of picking up a new, custom SCGC – a 50th anniversary FTC sounds like an outstanding idea! And still plenty of time to plan!

      • #3326
        zorro
        Participant

        Tad….We would love to hear you on that FTC, not someone else. it’s your horse to ride. Besides I’ve heard you play and you need not make any apologies.

        I think it is really special to receive a guitar personally from the shop and have Richard smile when he hands it to you.

        Sort of like having Enzo Ferrari  personally hand you the keys to one of his cars.

        The 34 Zorro is now a bit over 2 years old and seems to have opened up quite a bit. But I remember The Maestro saying that with the woods in his inventory it won’t take forever for one of his instruments to achieve its full voice.

        At my age I don’t have a couple of decades to wait……so I am happy that I have the voices around me now that make me  content….both listening to Dee sing and playing my guitars.

        Merry Christmas , Peace in the New Year and Fair Winds,

        Hank

         


        1993 Martin Custom HD-28 IR/Sitka
        2001 SCGC Custom F Cutaway Maple/German
        2008 SCGC Custom OT Madi/Italian
        2015 SCGC Custom OM “The Tree” Hog/ European
        2016 SCGC Custom 1934 D45 Braz/ Adi

        The Bay, The Gulf Stream, The Open Ocean are particular about who they share their Secrets with.

    • #3324
      haasome
      Participant

      Tad, your comments above are insightful and agree with my experience. I’ve reached a point in my life where I can afford new custom guitars. It’s too bad I couldn’t afford them when I was younger because I would be playing well matured instruments at this point in my life. I’ve found that there are very few guitars that reach me from the bench that don’t need “time in the bottle.” The only 2 that came to me in a mellow,  seemingly comfy state was a custom SCGC OMG I received a couple of years ago; and a Froggy Bottom H12 I got 5 years ago.  There’s still time to enjoy the changes. If not, I guess it won’t matter. Enjoy the ride.


      – Paul –

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    • #3424
      Matt Hayden
      Participant

      I’ll echo Richard’s comments: Tad’s FTC is amazing. I could play it all day and not get tired of it.

    • #3450
      Acoustic Soul
      Participant

      I’ve heard Walnut is in between mahogany and rosewood.  Is that about right?

    • #3522
      Matt Hayden
      Participant

      Yup, I have a Larrivee Parlour 01 Walnut and it was def the pick of the litter.

      So many good choices…..

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