Custom 50th FTC

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  • #998

    zorro
    Participant

    All right Now…listen up.
    On the last day of Jan. 2019 I will be 72…This from somebody whose generation said “never trust any one over 30”.
    I do not know what the future may bring…but I do know that my favorite saying is “Don’t Ever Give Up”.So I have a proposal.

    I will put a deposit down and fully fund a 50th anniversary SCGC  Custom FTC. It is up to the members of this forum to spec. it out.

    We have one year from today to do so.

    if the Gatekeeper will set up a separate page for this project that might be easier than keeping the thread here…or not…

    I would like “US”to choose the woods while Otis B. Rodeo is the “Head Wrangler” of the “Ramuda” and he can select the best of  his Reserve.

    Once the woods are selected I will put down the deposit and we will have lots of time to discuss the other components.

    Let me be clear..this is to be a very special project…however, The final decisions will be Richards and the Crew of SCGC.

    I will be the  owner of this guitar but I think it should “Travel” continuosly among the players of SCGC guitars…both pros and just plain pickers.

    I am open to any and ALL input from the members (current, past and future) of this forum.

    Should I sail “Over the Horizon” before the completion of the build (But after funding) then the surviving players of  the ‘In The Park Players ” shall be in charge.

    Who wishes to be shipmates on the Voyage ?

     

     

     


    1993 Martin Custom HD-28 IR/Sitka
    2001 SCGC Custom F Cutaway Maple/German
    2008 SCGC Custom OT Madi/Italian
    2015 SCGC Custom OM “The Tree” Hog/ European
    2016 SCGC Custom 1934 D45 Braz/ Adi

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  • #1000

    Chris aka digdog
    Participant

    WELL GEE GOLLY WHIZ. AND A WHOLE LOTTA  HOLY GUACAMOLE ZORRO!

    tHIS SHOULD BE A VERY EXCITING VENTURE GAS AHOLIZM.

    Seeings how you have a procured an amazing Brazilian 45 type D build    Let me be the first to suggest Highly figuredKOA.       OK   Keep the ball rolling you all

     

  • #1001

    zorro
    Participant

    Chris thanks for your thoughts. Done in your inimitable style.
    What top woods?
    Also.. as I hope this guitar will be our version of A “Traveling Wilbury ” what guitar case should we consider ?
    I’m serious about having this guitar played by as many SCGC Fans as possible.


    1993 Martin Custom HD-28 IR/Sitka
    2001 SCGC Custom F Cutaway Maple/German
    2008 SCGC Custom OT Madi/Italian
    2015 SCGC Custom OM “The Tree” Hog/ European
    2016 SCGC Custom 1934 D45 Braz/ Adi

  • #1002

    indexless
    Keymaster

    I think we will keep this on this forum for now. I’ll look at it’s own page. There are several examples of shared objects on forums, like a pic sampler and such, being responsible for a guitar is a little different…great idea, dream and design on

  • #1003

    Chris aka digdog
    Participant

    I think my choice would be Port Orford Cedar.  A very vanilla to cream colored cedar that has been characterized as possessing a more rigid and possibly less likely to be as sensitive to tactile abrasions as well as having that dynamic response of the more typical red cedar..

  • #1004

    Matt Hayden
    Participant

    Permission to board, Cap’n?

    Since the FTC is (to my mind) all about the warmth of a flattop and the clarity and cut-through-the-mix of an archtop, I’d go with spruce – probably sitka – for the top, and some really beautiful maple for the back and sides.

    Deco inlays on an ebony board on a multi-piece maple neck (for structural stability) with some kind of light-colored binding and a clear finish would round it out. Not sure about purling and binding, but a 5- or 7-way multiply of ebony and figured maple would work.

    Also, probably, a couple of tiny plates on either side of the inside of the soundhole (prob maple) to provide extra support for a magnetic pickup (I like the sound of Sunrise pickups in those instruments, but they’re kind of heavy).

    That would be (IMHO) the perfect combination of aesthetics and function.

     

     

     

  • #1005

    Chris aka digdog
    Participant

    That sounds nice Matt.  Sitka and Maple has very strong appeal!!  Maybe some H13 type s29 purfling with just the lightest amount of a caramelized edge burst to set it all off?

  • #1007

    zorro
    Participant

    I know that some ‘Highly Figured” Flame Maple has always looked great on the FTC.
    I do think that KOA holds a lot of appeal if the “Right” set.
    While I have never played a Cedar top guitar I have been led to believe that Cedar Sounds has good as it is going to be when new and does not “Open ” like Spruce overtime.
    I like Matts descriptions of the Maple/Spruce Combo
    Thought on Rosewoods?? NOT BRAZ….outside the budget and not able to travel across borders.
    Should our project Bindings and inlays be simple or a bit on the wild side…. Palo, Paule ?
    This will be an interesting build…..REMEMBER, We want this guitar to be a Primo example of the SCGC 50 years of craft.


    1993 Martin Custom HD-28 IR/Sitka
    2001 SCGC Custom F Cutaway Maple/German
    2008 SCGC Custom OT Madi/Italian
    2015 SCGC Custom OM “The Tree” Hog/ European
    2016 SCGC Custom 1934 D45 Braz/ Adi

  • #1019

    zorro
    Participant

    All right .Close your eyes. What about?
    Dark Flamed Maple B/S
    Sunburst Sitka top
    All inlays, Purfling, from Paua.
    binding of 5-7 mutiply of ebony, figured Maple and Paua.
    TOOO Dramatic??


    1993 Martin Custom HD-28 IR/Sitka
    2001 SCGC Custom F Cutaway Maple/German
    2008 SCGC Custom OT Madi/Italian
    2015 SCGC Custom OM “The Tree” Hog/ European
    2016 SCGC Custom 1934 D45 Braz/ Adi

  • #1031

    Matt Hayden
    Participant

    I think that’d be lovely – although using the paua everywhere might be too much of a good thing.  I wonder whether SCGC could do the deco inlays in a combination of paua and white MOP?  That’d be colorful and eye-catching.

    Zorro, because of the CITES ban, it’s dangerous to carry *any* rosewood instrument across transnational borders.  Since most customs inspectors really don’t have the training to tell braz from indian from coco from madrose, inappropriate seizures happen more than they should.  I have an instrument I would like to deliver to its *real* owner but I’m afraid to get it there bc it has a braz head plate.

    Though in terms of braz carved instruments, though, Kim Walker did one – it’s apparently quite an instrument:
    https://www.fretboardjournal.com/features/archtop-aesthetics-birth-kim-walker-solo-novo-guitar/

  • #1099

    zorro
    Participant

    Come on Y’all…. Ideas…suggestions are needed…..this is going to be “Our” guitar.


    1993 Martin Custom HD-28 IR/Sitka
    2001 SCGC Custom F Cutaway Maple/German
    2008 SCGC Custom OT Madi/Italian
    2015 SCGC Custom OM “The Tree” Hog/ European
    2016 SCGC Custom 1934 D45 Braz/ Adi

  • #1105

    tadol
    Participant

    Well, I wish everyone were a lot closer – I’d be very happy to let people try out my maple FTCs, one in sitka, and one in cedar. Both old ones, although I don’t think theres much changed with the new ones. I will say that the cut or “edge” one gets with a maple guitar can get a bit excessive with a cedar top – Extremely responsive to fingerstyle, but almost a distorted overdrive with a pick and some strumming. A flavor that would not appeal to many as an “only” guitar, but a very interesting voice if one can justify having a few guitars – no problems with that here – and I need to point out that SCGC had not had a lot of experience with cedar when they built this one. So at this point, they have much more experience with it, and could probably thickness and brace it to allow more of an aggressive strumming style. But I still wouldn’t recommend it.

    The sitka top is a very nice combo – its got more balance, but still with the unique edge and voice of the FTC, and still very much a maple guitar. I very briefly tried a mahogany FTC, and I wish I could say I really remember it well, but it was very different from the maple, yet still had the presence of the FTC. I would be concerned with koa on a carved shape like that – at least highly figured koa – I just don’t know how it would be structurally, but I’m sure Richard has the expertise to do it if desired.

    For myself, I am hoping for one in rosewood, with probably a Euro top – and I can only guess what it might be like. Hopes are high, but I just don’t know what its going to gain (or lose?) with rosewood instead of maple –

  • #1107

    indexless
    Keymaster

    Stand back cowboy…..here’s what I want…sorry it will be a total custom ftc for sure

    Moon Spruce top, the blue stuff

    100 year old mahogany from a table top found along the 1 freeway in Santa Cruz

    tortoise binding

    Pyramid bridge 1 3/4 neck 2 5/16’s bridge spacing

    paddle head   no pick guard   snakehead waverly tuners

    00 Skye body size   12 fret   24.9 scale   ebony board  and bridge

    hide glue, advanced x braced, moon spruce braces

    SCGC inlay at the 12   side dot markers   ebony fingerboard

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  • #1108

    Frozen Rat
    Participant

    I will humbly suggest my favorite wishful combination (as if it were for me personally). I’d like the back and sides to be the 100-year-old mahogany and the top to be aged Adirondack. The fretboard would be Brazilian and the neck would be mahogany as well. Why? Because I think that combination would sound otherworldly.


    Santa Cruz 00 — Goodall 000 — Martin 00-28

  • #1110

    tadol
    Participant

    And you wouldn’t be wrong –

  • #1124

    zorro
    Participant

    Anyone have pix of Moon Spruce ‘The Blue Stuff” ?


    1993 Martin Custom HD-28 IR/Sitka
    2001 SCGC Custom F Cutaway Maple/German
    2008 SCGC Custom OT Madi/Italian
    2015 SCGC Custom OM “The Tree” Hog/ European
    2016 SCGC Custom 1934 D45 Braz/ Adi

  • #1127

    Matt Hayden
    Participant

    Having played several spruce/maple/ebony fittings, that combo is pretty magical despite its simple wood choices.  It crosses the clarity and punch of an archtop with the warmth of the flattop.   Tadol’s spruce FTC is a case in point – it’s got enormous power but also a huge dynamic range and great sensitivity to where along the string length it’s played.

    …someday.  😉

  • #1286

    moo cow
    Participant

    Being new to the forum I don’t feel I have a voice here, but this has to be one of the coolest things I’ve ever seen on a guitar forum.  I’m following with great interest!

  • #1288

    zorro
    Participant

    MC,
    Please submit your thoughts. This is a voyage that ALL lovers and players of SCGC can join.
    looking forward to your input.
    Tell other SC owners about the project and ask them to submit ideas to the SCGC Players Forum and this thread.
    Fair Winds,
    Zorro


    1993 Martin Custom HD-28 IR/Sitka
    2001 SCGC Custom F Cutaway Maple/German
    2008 SCGC Custom OT Madi/Italian
    2015 SCGC Custom OM “The Tree” Hog/ European
    2016 SCGC Custom 1934 D45 Braz/ Adi

  • #1353

    Old 97
    Participant

    Bear Claw German Spruce

    Flamed Mahogany

    cup holder


    1982 SCGC Dread Cutaway Brazilian/Sitka

  • #1407

    zorro
    Participant

    After reflecting on the project that I have proposed, I have come to “The
    Slap In The Face” reality that on the 50th birthday of SCGC that I will be Damn near 80 when this idea will come to fruition….80 !!!
    So…I am changing the program to commission the build to be a 45th anniversary custom FTC.
    I still would like to have the Members of our Forum continue to submit thoughts and Ideas as to what the details of the guitar might be….But I’m going to talk with “The Maestro” soon to get his thoughts on this guitar and see what “personal Stash” of wood he might have now or is thinking about having in the near future.
    As it is going to be an FTC I am leaning toward Flamed Maple as it is the “Traditional” wood for archtop guitars but I have to admit that Koa has some strong eye candy appeal. Would you Koa lovers please comment on the Sonic/Voice difference between the two woods.
    Fair Winds,
    Hank


    1993 Martin Custom HD-28 IR/Sitka
    2001 SCGC Custom F Cutaway Maple/German
    2008 SCGC Custom OT Madi/Italian
    2015 SCGC Custom OM “The Tree” Hog/ European
    2016 SCGC Custom 1934 D45 Braz/ Adi

  • #1408

    Chris aka digdog
    Participant

    Of the 3 Koa guitars I’ve had built ,by our dear Maestro n Crew. SCGC,  all have been stunning!   My favorite was an all Koa  000.   Next was the OM  Spruce n  Koa.  Finally the 00 Spruce n Koa.   They all had the Magical open vintage tone that Santa Cruz is noted for.      I am a fickled   GAS CRAZED   acoustic guitar guitar  CRUSADER in chase of the will I ever find the GRAIL..       Koa is a great sounding ,looking tone wood and SCGC with out doubt knows how to bring it to life.           Warm even balance with most notably  a Mid frequency  bias.   I hope to someday in the near future to have Richard and crew build me an OM grand with Port Oxford Cedar and my personal stash of very old growth Koa.

    For an FTC me thinks the Maple is the way to go.  Have them do a reddish/golden Koa tint W@@W!

     

  • #1442

    bert
    Participant

    Dana Bourgeois has been known to build with pao rosewood, which he calls a lighter shade of braz rosewood. The top of my 2013 00 is redwood. Don’t know if SCGC has ever built with these woods but… beautiful tone and balance works as a good description:

    2013 Bourgeois 00


    SCGC VJ, Collings CJmhAsssb, Bourgeois 00, Eastman E20OM-TC & El Rey4 archtop, little bottleneck reso.

  • #1443

    Chris aka digdog
    Participant

    Bert check out the Tunnel 13 Guitar by SCGC. ,maybe its still at Sylvan Music Santa Cruz.  A great history provenance about the redwood used for that guitar .Give Richard a shout.  It is one of the best sounding SCGC i’VE PLAYED.

  • #1456

    zorro
    Participant

    UPDATE…Spoke with Carolyn and I am Zorroing in on Maple B/S for the 45th build. She is setting up a time for me to speak with Mr. Hoover about his stash of Maple….. Nothing else decided yet.
    I just have a “Gut” feeling that Maple is the right wood for an FTC.
    Some of Y’All have been so very kind to offer your own caches of South American Braz and Old Hog for the build… Thank You. But somehow Maple seems to speak to me.


    1993 Martin Custom HD-28 IR/Sitka
    2001 SCGC Custom F Cutaway Maple/German
    2008 SCGC Custom OT Madi/Italian
    2015 SCGC Custom OM “The Tree” Hog/ European
    2016 SCGC Custom 1934 D45 Braz/ Adi

  • #1461

    indexless
    Keymaster

    What’s the top?

    • #1462

      zorro
      Participant

      Haven’t decided yet….will wait and see what R. H. suggests.
      I have asked Carolyn to Keep a Visual theme of Ocean/Island/ Sailing as far as cosmetics and inlay material to be used.


      1993 Martin Custom HD-28 IR/Sitka
      2001 SCGC Custom F Cutaway Maple/German
      2008 SCGC Custom OT Madi/Italian
      2015 SCGC Custom OM “The Tree” Hog/ European
      2016 SCGC Custom 1934 D45 Braz/ Adi

  • #2315

    Acoustic Soul
    Participant

    Hey, sorry I’ve been inactive since the forum came back online.  I actually just turned 30 in December and had my first child.  I also got married last July!

    First, Zorro that’s super cool and gracious of you to do such a thing!  How fun!!

    I applaud your choice of the FTC in many ways – which I’ll just gloss over.

     

    In my mind the top could be some old growth adirondack… but Richard will probably have special woods he is saving for such a scenario as this.  Have you heard the Tunnel 13 redwood?  That blew my mind, I’m looking to have that done on my second santa cruz.  I think sitka is nice but it never pleases me in any guitar I’ve played it, just lacking always compared to Italian or Adirondack to my ears.  I think Italian would be too ‘singing’ or shimmery/bright for the FTC since it already has that voice.  That’s why I’d have to say old growth adirondack if not Tunnel 13 or some very unusual thing that Richard comes up with.

    I know maple is the most traditional choice for that guitar, but I think on the FTC it may pigeonhole it a bit in character.  If going with maple, maybe a type of maple that is woodier and more pliable in the mids.  I would seek to see mahogany on it as I think it would have a really cool punch overall with that body.  If you’re wanting something more sparkly then you could get the Tree set on it.  I also think Koa might be a very good option since you guys are talking about that since it’s similar to Mahogany.

    I also agree that something West coast sourced would be cool… the way they found Tunnel 13.  Hawaii isn’t too far away and since SC is all into the western swing thing a lot it’s culturally not too separate either.  Didn’t a lot of slack key and slide stuff marinade in from the 40s and 50s into that kind of scene in the western US?

    Definitely hide glue and adirondack bracing, I also agree that would be a really cool guitar to have a pickup in whoever said that thumbs up.

    As far as the aesthetic I think a very sun glow goldish hue and pearl blocks all the way up and down fretboard would be cool… like a visit to a retrofuturism museum and the art deco period glorified in a warm amber hue.  Would probably be really classy and look like the sun reflecting off the pearly gates haha.

    Flamed neck

    Maple binding

    Abalone purfling and inlay all around

    Some type of honeyed antique light amber tint top

    Pearloid bridge pins with white wood

    pearl blocks all the way up and down fretboard like the cowgirl one they did a few years back Clementine

    Gold tuners with pearl buttons

    White maple headstock overlay and Santa Cruz logo done in gold abalone or something purty… standard tuners look sweet though

    Mildly yellowed bone nut and saddle

    Matching rosette to inlay and purfle

    Voiced to not just be delicate, but handle strumming, heavier picks, and being pushed

     

     

    What do you guys think?  Critique my dream 😀

     

  • #2318

    Acoustic Soul
    Participant

    Edit: **Don’t see any way to edit, so in my post when I say abalone I don’t mean the green and blue but the golden yellow one**

  • #2319

    zorro
    Participant

    Acoustic soul,
    Wow, lot’s of life changes for you…Congrats and Fair Winds for the future.
    Thanks for your input on the FTC.
    I’ve had some preliminary discussions with Artisan Guitars and Carolyn regarding this.
    I am leaning toward a Carribean/Blue Hole theme….maybe Maple maybe figured Koa.
    The finish , I think will be a blue…..Which shade We have not decided….maybe a combo of shades, like the Carribean itself.
    When I get ability to post pix back I’ll post a picture of a Blue Hole I dove in the Bahamas that would set the overall look.
    The bling will be Paua and Coral and Pearl.
    Still a few years away from building but I hope all will find interesting and wonderful sounding.


    1993 Martin Custom HD-28 IR/Sitka
    2001 SCGC Custom F Cutaway Maple/German
    2008 SCGC Custom OT Madi/Italian
    2015 SCGC Custom OM “The Tree” Hog/ European
    2016 SCGC Custom 1934 D45 Braz/ Adi

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  • #2322

    zorro
    Participant


    1993 Martin Custom HD-28 IR/Sitka
    2001 SCGC Custom F Cutaway Maple/German
    2008 SCGC Custom OT Madi/Italian
    2015 SCGC Custom OM “The Tree” Hog/ European
    2016 SCGC Custom 1934 D45 Braz/ Adi

  • #2323

    zorro
    Participant

    Sound Hole Of The Bahamas


    1993 Martin Custom HD-28 IR/Sitka
    2001 SCGC Custom F Cutaway Maple/German
    2008 SCGC Custom OT Madi/Italian
    2015 SCGC Custom OM “The Tree” Hog/ European
    2016 SCGC Custom 1934 D45 Braz/ Adi

  • #2326

    Acoustic Soul
    Participant

    That’s a really cool idea too!  Maybe you could do an entire theme like a caribbean treasure from an old shipwreck 🙂

    And thank you for the well wishes, I married the most incredible woman I met in my life and luckily she loves music and wants me to have all the guitars 😀 😀 😀 it doesn’t get any better!

  • #2327

    Acoustic Soul
    Participant

    I’m sure the sound hole of the bahamas would look excellent either on white sandy shores maple or hawaiian honey koa!

  • #2328

    Acoustic Soul
    Participant

    On the subject of the top wood, what did they say?

  • #2787

    Acoustic Soul
    Participant

    Any updates Zorro?

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