Update all SCGC string tensions are here. Medium Tension Strings

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    • #7758
      wbb90TR
      Participant

        Does anyone out there know the total tension of the medium tension strings. Just curious.

        Thanks,

        Walter

      • #7759
        indexless
        Keymaster

          Hi Walter,

          That’s an interesting question, let me sure I understand it. You are looking for the total tension of all the strings combined?

        • #7760
          wbb90TR
          Participant

            Yes Richard, the total tension.

            Thanks

          • #7762
            indexless
            Keymaster

              Direct from the Mother Ship!

              The medium tension strings have a total tension of 163 lbs.

               

              Hey this works pretty well for responses

            • #7763
              pto
              Participant

                i think that number is for 25.4 inch scale.  but it’s been a while since i looked it up.

              • #7764
                wbb90TR
                Participant

                  Richard, thanks for getting that info. That is quite a bit less than I expected when compared to Martin Monels that I occasionally string up. They are listed at 184.8. The SCGC mediums do feel better. Would love to see them in a monel version. Pushy, pushy…sorry 😉

                   

                  Peter, thanks for confirming that, works for my ’90 TR std.

                  Best, Walter

                • #7766
                  Hank
                  Participant

                    OK, Nice work Big Mon…..Now how about Total Tensions for the DADGAD and 12 string sets.

                  • #7773
                    indexless
                    Keymaster

                      Well, Here ya go, all of the SCGC string tensions

                      Standard Low-Tension
                      155.9 lbs

                      Standard Mid-Tension
                      163 lbs

                      DADGAD Low-Tension
                      152.92 lbs

                      DADGAD Mid-Tension
                      164.27 lbs

                      Baritone Low-Tension
                      170.50 lbs

                      Baritone Mid-Tension
                      201.50 lbs

                      12-string
                      258.39 lbs

                       

                      • #9316
                        haasome
                        Participant

                          There have been conflicting information regarding string tension, so I contacted SCGC. Here is their response:

                          “The tensions that are advertised on our packs ( 165.6 for low and 176.7 for mid) would be the total tension across the fingerboard and on the neck if tuned in Standard A440 tuning.

                          I spoke to my associates here in the Admin office and it sounds like at one point a former employee had provided the wrong tensions in an email to someone in the player community and that information (apparently) had passed around quite a bit before landing on the Players forum.”


                          – Paul –

                      • #7774
                        Hank
                        Participant

                          You the big kauna .

                          Thank you. That 12 string tension I whay I tune the 12er down a full step.

                          • #9314
                            haasome
                            Participant

                              I am confused about string tension:

                              I have been told repeatedly that low tension = 156 lbs and Mids = 163 as expressed on the SCGC Forum https://santacruzguitarplayers.com/forums/topic/medium-tension-strings-2/
                              Post #7773

                              However there is a statement on the Low Tension package
                              *Conventional gauges are modified to an optimal overall tension of 165.6 lbs

                              And on the Mids package * conventional gauges are modified to an optimal tension of 176.7 lbs.

                              Can you please clarify?


                              – Paul –

                          • #7776
                            Alex Zk
                            Participant

                              I think the tensions that SC has published need some adjustments.  And here is why.

                              First, the plain strings:

                              — For the mid-tension set, SC shows the tension of the .013 1st string as 22.5 lbs.  This is a solid string, so the only difference in tension between the SC string and other brand solid strings is going to be the density/linear weight of the material.  D’Addario shows 27.42  and GHS 28.0.  Adjusted for the difference in scale length (25.375 vs 25.5), almost exactly 1%,  D’A would be 27.1 and GHS 27.7.  So let’s call the SC spec too low by about 5 lbs.

                              — SC shows the tension of the .0165 2nd string as 24.0 lbs.  This is a solid string, so the only difference in tension between the SC string and other brand solid string is going to be the weight of the material.   For a .017 D’Addario shows 26.31 and GHS 27.7.  Adjusted for the difference in scale length (25.375 vs 25.5) and for the difference between .0165 and .017, D’A would be 24.5  and GHS 25.8.  So let’s call the SC spec too low by about 0.5 lbs.

                              So the two plain strings are too low by about 5.5 lbs total, which would make the SC 163 lbs into 168.5 lbs.

                              Second, the 4th string:

                              — SC shows the .033 4th string of the mid-tension set as 28.5 lbs.  At the same time, it shows the .032 4th string of the low-tension set at 30.5 lbs. — smaller string, but higher tension.  And while gauge doesn’t determine tension for wound strings, why would the low-tension set have a higher-tension 4th string than the mid-tension set?  And the 28.5 spec for the mid-tension 4th string is exactly the same as the spec for the 3rd string.  Maybe a copy error?

                              I’ve used the mid-tension strings on my TR Pro, and the overall tension works pretty well.  The guitar sounds a bit constricted with a regular .013-.056 set, particularly on the 3rd and 4th strings.

                              From the specs and from the feel of the strings, I’d put the overall total tension of SC mid-tension strings about half-way between a conventional PB light .012-.054 and medium .013-.056.  Maybe put the Vegas over-under line at 170 lbs.!

                              Hope this adds some information on the topic.

                               

                               

                            • #9317
                              pto
                              Participant

                                i’m with Alex (and always have been every time this question rears its head)… i wouldn’t bet my life on the numbers.  too many inconsitencies in the explantions over the years, even on the UNwound strings, as Alex has pointed out in the past.  it’s like asking John Pearse where their strings are made – maybe a picture of the factory – something fishy about their reluctance to defend their claims.  JOh Pearse: Maybe a factory tour like D’add gives?:)  i do like the SCGC mid-tensions a lot, since the overall tension is lower than other makers’ “mediums.”  they work well for how lightly SCGC is made.  (Frank Ford called the Tony Pro a hot rod.:)

                                as i suspected, the whole “parabolic” nomenclature is just a name they gave it.  RH most recently said in the podcast “it looked like a parabola” to us, when he was asked my question.  they talk about “the science” over and over.  but “looked like parabola” (presumably because it was “curved”) is hardly a scientific or mathematical explanation.  curved also is a catenary, hyperbola, circle.  it’s just marketing, as far as i can figure – like EQ.  (the whole EQ thing has never been explained other than to use the EQ word over and over.  it’s only frustrating to me because being a mathematician and engineer i’m curious.  words mean things.  “back in 2015 i thought “oh, parabolic tension, how did you do that, what axactly is parabolic?  that’s neat.  but then, dead end.:) i always thought they could have avoided all MY (its all about me, after all, as you can tell by now:)) confusion by giving the strings a name like optimized tension or custom-tuned, or something.  BOTTOM LINE, though, i LOVE the strings.  i only use them on mey Santa Cruzes though. D’Add is my go to on other maker’s instruments.

                              • #9318
                                pto
                                Participant

                                  for some reason, when i edited out the 3 trypos i found, they didn’t take.  apologies, i was trying to be careful for the reader’s sake:)

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